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	<title>Comments on: Question: Why is banking such a pain in the ass?</title>
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		<title>By: Emira</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenandemira.com/2006/0726question-why-is-banking-such-a-pain-in-the-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Emira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darian, I&#039;d love it if you would post some info about the SBA here for other folks to use.

I think it&#039;s also worth saying that we&#039;ve had similar problems with the very big banks in terms of an unproductive attitude. We recently tried to switch our company credit card from being tied to Lauren&#039;s personal credit history to our Inc. business and it was the same waste of time. We called ahead for an appointment, asked what we needed to bring, went to said appointment paperwork in hand and were told that we were actually not talking to the right person, that no, no one there could help us and that we&#039;d need to make a new appointment. Beyond the obvious financial ramifications of these scenarios, the thing that really galls me is the wasting of my time. I don&#039;t know that we&#039;ve ever done a business banking transaction (aside from the everyday deposit etc) in an efficient way, and any lack thereof has had nothing to do with us. Typically we go out of our way to make sure we have every last bit of paper and info required before we even sit down with anyone and every last time the person whose job it is to manage all this for us forgets to have us sign something, or has us fill out a two year old form then has to have us back to fill out a new one, or fails to understand what we&#039;re even asking for. As business people, who are frankly most of the time really freakin&#039; busy, wasting my time with useless apointments that often create more problems than they solve eventually becomes really insulting. And clearly: frustrating.

I&#039;d also like to say that this whole post and discussion of ours is not an attack at credit unions per se. As a personal banker I&#039;ve had great experiences with this same institution. And for the record, the best major banking experience I have ever had was when my partner and I got our mortgage. We used another local credit union and I have honestly never felt so good about going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt. I&#039;m not really sure that they did anything for us that anyone else wouldn&#039;t have done, but it was the attitude. Never once did they make us feel like what we were asking for was unreasonable, and given that even trying to buy a home in this town is kind of by its nature a bit unreasonable with the price of real estate here that is really saying something. They were helpful, collaborative and this will sound lame but &quot;problem solvers.&quot; It was really excellent, which was good because everything else about buying a home was kind of terrifying.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darian, I&#8217;d love it if you would post some info about the SBA here for other folks to use.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s also worth saying that we&#8217;ve had similar problems with the very big banks in terms of an unproductive attitude. We recently tried to switch our company credit card from being tied to Lauren&#8217;s personal credit history to our Inc. business and it was the same waste of time. We called ahead for an appointment, asked what we needed to bring, went to said appointment paperwork in hand and were told that we were actually not talking to the right person, that no, no one there could help us and that we&#8217;d need to make a new appointment. Beyond the obvious financial ramifications of these scenarios, the thing that really galls me is the wasting of my time. I don&#8217;t know that we&#8217;ve ever done a business banking transaction (aside from the everyday deposit etc) in an efficient way, and any lack thereof has had nothing to do with us. Typically we go out of our way to make sure we have every last bit of paper and info required before we even sit down with anyone and every last time the person whose job it is to manage all this for us forgets to have us sign something, or has us fill out a two year old form then has to have us back to fill out a new one, or fails to understand what we&#8217;re even asking for. As business people, who are frankly most of the time really freakin&#8217; busy, wasting my time with useless apointments that often create more problems than they solve eventually becomes really insulting. And clearly: frustrating.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to say that this whole post and discussion of ours is not an attack at credit unions per se. As a personal banker I&#8217;ve had great experiences with this same institution. And for the record, the best major banking experience I have ever had was when my partner and I got our mortgage. We used another local credit union and I have honestly never felt so good about going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt. I&#8217;m not really sure that they did anything for us that anyone else wouldn&#8217;t have done, but it was the attitude. Never once did they make us feel like what we were asking for was unreasonable, and given that even trying to buy a home in this town is kind of by its nature a bit unreasonable with the price of real estate here that is really saying something. They were helpful, collaborative and this will sound lame but &#8220;problem solvers.&#8221; It was really excellent, which was good because everything else about buying a home was kind of terrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: Darian</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenandemira.com/2006/0726question-why-is-banking-such-a-pain-in-the-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Darian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want information on the SBA line/loan I would be glad to give you that. Not all big banks are that bad. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want information on the SBA line/loan I would be glad to give you that. Not all big banks are that bad. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Darian</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenandemira.com/2006/0726question-why-is-banking-such-a-pain-in-the-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Darian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a huge bank as a business banker. Most banks will not give loans to companies that have not yet been in business for two years. There are SBA loans that are especially made for small businesses through the Small Business Association. That could be something you may want to consider if you want a larger amount.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a huge bank as a business banker. Most banks will not give loans to companies that have not yet been in business for two years. There are SBA loans that are especially made for small businesses through the Small Business Association. That could be something you may want to consider if you want a larger amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stv.: Interesting. It&#039;s just so frustrating to give our money to the big banks when we feel so strongly about supporting the local economy &amp; community! But when it gets to a point where they&#039;re basically impeding one&#039;s ability to do business, one has to wonder how much support they really offer.

Of course I also know tons of people who work for this credit union (none of them branch staff, sadly!), so I feel a kind of personal loyalty in terms of wanting to support their work. Oy vey.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stv.: Interesting. It&#8217;s just so frustrating to give our money to the big banks when we feel so strongly about supporting the local economy &#038; community! But when it gets to a point where they&#8217;re basically impeding one&#8217;s ability to do business, one has to wonder how much support they really offer.</p>
<p>Of course I also know tons of people who work for this credit union (none of them branch staff, sadly!), so I feel a kind of personal loyalty in terms of wanting to support their work. Oy vey.</p>
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		<title>By: Stv.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stv.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, as you probably know, I bank personally, and used to bank business(-ally) at the same &quot;friendly&quot; bank, and I have to say, they&#039;re not at all helpful. Not in the least. And even as an incorporated company, they keep telling us &quot;1 more year in business, then we can use the company&#039;s credit, not your personal credit&quot; They&#039;ve told us this after years 1,2,3. The last time we chatted about a Line of Credit, we showed them the letter they wrote us after time #2, saying come back in year 3. And the person just looked at us like we were idiots for believing their co-worker a year previous. We&#039;ve since moved to a bank, and within 3 months, they, of their own volition, offered us a spiffy line of credit, with far better rates and amounts than we had any right to expect. So there is something to the axiom that big banks can treat the small guy better because they can afford to take bigger risks...

Bleh. I hate everything to do with money in business. Which is silly, being a business owner, I suppose.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, as you probably know, I bank personally, and used to bank business(-ally) at the same &#8220;friendly&#8221; bank, and I have to say, they&#8217;re not at all helpful. Not in the least. And even as an incorporated company, they keep telling us &#8220;1 more year in business, then we can use the company&#8217;s credit, not your personal credit&#8221; They&#8217;ve told us this after years 1,2,3. The last time we chatted about a Line of Credit, we showed them the letter they wrote us after time #2, saying come back in year 3. And the person just looked at us like we were idiots for believing their co-worker a year previous. We&#8217;ve since moved to a bank, and within 3 months, they, of their own volition, offered us a spiffy line of credit, with far better rates and amounts than we had any right to expect. So there is something to the axiom that big banks can treat the small guy better because they can afford to take bigger risks&#8230;</p>
<p>Bleh. I hate everything to do with money in business. Which is silly, being a business owner, I suppose.</p>
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